Dan Flores
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Gunfighters · Ep. 39: The River That Flowed From Nowhere, Part II | The American West · 28 Jul 2026
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And he was very explicit, evidently both orally and in the written instructions about where Freeman was supposed to end his expedition at the headwaters of the Red River.
Freeman later, a couple of weeks after the meeting with the private dinner with Jefferson, wrote a friend of his and said, I'm going to lead an expedition into the environs of Santa Fe.
How would you like to be my cashier in that country, he says to his friend.
I'm not sure what that line meant, but what's obvious is that Freeman thought,
The Red River was going to take him to Santa Fe, New Mexico.
And there may have been some supposition that what they were going to do was to try to open the later Santa Fe Trail, which only 20 years later is going to actually open up between Missouri and New Mexico.
In any case, it didn't happen.
The Spanish Army stopped the expedition when it had gone about 650 miles up the Red River.
And so we didn't get what we got with Lewis and Clark.
I mean, just imagine, because the Spaniards wanted to stop Lewis and Clark, too.
If Lewis and Clark had been stopped, say, at the Mandan Villages and had to turn around at the Mandan Villages and go back home and never proceeded across the plains, saw the Rockies, saw the Pacific Coast, the Pacific Ocean—
That's kind of what, on a smaller scale, what we lost.
And so this is what I wanted to recreate.
Yeah, they still run into that because Spain sends out a force both from New Mexico and a second force from Texas.
And, of course, I think I said this when we were talking about part one in the last episode.
It's fairly easy to stop somebody who's exploring a river.
I mean, all you do is just aim for landing upstream of them.
on the river, and then a ray of force across the river.
And the only reason, because Spain did send expeditions out to stop Lewis and Clark, the only reason they didn't manage to do that with Lewis and Clark is that the Missouri River, of course, tracks, as they're ascending it, it tracks far to the north, up into the Dakotas, into North Dakota and Montana, and sending out a military force from Texas or New Mexico, they never could do.
actually ever get to the Missouri River.
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