Daniel Ek

So back to that point, like a large-scale corporation, what they do is they just get better and better and better at doing what they already do.

And

The way to do that is obviously minimize mistakes.

So, you know, that also means minimize billions, minimize waste, minimize all these other things.

So naturally what you end up having is more and more capitalism, public markets, all of these things drives you towards one thing.

Optimize what you're doing to the point where it's the most efficient thing that it can possibly be.

But that is not conducive to how you get the best ideas.

And what I'm greatly satisfied and happy with, and I've been fortunate enough as I don't anymore run Spotify as much day to day as I used to.

I'm still very involved, but I'm not involved in all the team meetings and doing all the things that I used to do.

So I was like 90% internally focused on just getting the machine to run.

It's that I've been more and more able, not just have the free time to think, but I've been more able to meet more people.

And part of the beauty of that is that it brought me back to music again.

And it brought me back to the creative process of music again.

And it is something remarkable in a studio where you have a bunch of people just throwing ideas at each other.

And musicians actually in many ways know more about the entrepreneurial process than most people give them credit.

I think it's the same thing.

Filmmakers, like athletes.

100% the same thing.

Yeah.

100%.