Daniel Ek

Yeah, I would say, you know, I'm not proud of sneaking out sometimes on that.

But look, I mean, at the end of the day, I think that that's less about sort of being protecting my time and more sort of about protecting myself.

Unique and novel ideas and how rare they are.

And by the way, we'll hopefully get into that, but I think less about sort of – a lot of entrepreneurs seem to be obsessed about time.

I'm really not.

I'm more obsessed about energy management.

Wait, wait.

Yeah, let's get to it now.

What do you mean –

Well, I mean, you constantly hear this thing about all these – you're supposed to wake up at 4 a.m.

in the morning.

You're supposed to do all these things, et cetera.

It's like first and foremost, there's no rule.

I know a lot of successful people, as I'm sure you do too.

It's like some of them wake up at noon.

Some of them wake up at 4 a.m.

You can do a lot of different things.

Yeah, but the other thing is about sort of you're supposed to pack every, like you're supposed to have meetings every 15 minutes and like a 15-minute increments is better than a 30-minute increments, so on and so forth.

Look, it might work for you.

And for some people, it might be like the absolute best thing.