Daniel Ek

I've become more obsessed about sort of managing my energy because like if you have time but you have no energy, you're not going to accomplish anything anyway.

So how do you manage your energy then?

Well, it's about finding out what gives you energy, right, to begin with, and what drains energy.

And it's about finding out which time during the day you're most productive.

And it's, again, innately about understanding yourself.

And what the whole world tries to do is get you to conform to their schedule.

Oh, we have an 8 a.m.

morning meeting because that's when you get into the office or you're supposed to do this and that and all these other things, again, in a big corporation.

And it's about conformity to like the average or to an okay standard instead of going for excellence.

And what truly, truly is unique.

And I think the truly, truly unique thing is you've got to just figure out what works for you and you've got to do more of that.

And that's...

more about energy management, I believe.

And it's so much more about like, even before this thing, I think both you and I, we went and worked out, right?

You know, that gives me energy.

It's what's going to sustain the rest of my day.

I used to not do workouts at all because I thought I don't have time.

There's no productivity.

I used to go for the worst productivity thing I did was I was at one point doing these 15 minute naps.

I don't know if you've heard about this exercise.