Darren Dreger

But don't necessarily stick your nose in.

See, again, the other thing here is, traditionally speaking, you guys would know this, but

That's like a sanctuary, that room on deadline day, right?

And you've got scouts in there and you've got all kinds of different hockey ops people in there.

There has to be a freedom and an openness to have really tough conversations.

Because look, I mean, my view if I'm in hockey operations of one of our players might be different than the guy sitting beside me.

But that's a healthy conversation and it leads the general manager to make the decision that he needs to make.

whether that player is in play and part of a deal or that player isn't in play or part of a deal.

And I think that that was one of the many challenges that collectively these guys faced with Keith Pelley being so closely involved.

No, but again, you know, it's not like I'm scouring other clubs and asking specifically about what they see in Toronto.

The people I have talked to, and we're probably talking about Tanner Morrow, to be fair, see the same thing that the majority of us see, right?

But I will tell you this, and this is

probably more to the point and more important.

Maybe it doesn't matter what outside people believe.

I can tell you that Austin Matthews, William Nylander, essentially the nucleus or the core of the Toronto Maple Leafs, my understanding is their messaging to Craig Berube

And then the management who also did separate exit interviews today was they believe they can turn this thing around very quickly as early as next year.

And it's not a full rebuild as we continue to chew on.

And look, I did it.

I did that.

You guys were on the panel when I did the depth chart.