Darren Dreger

I can tell you that Austin Matthews, William Nylander, essentially the nucleus or the core of the Toronto Maple Leafs, my understanding is their messaging to Craig Berube

And then the management who also did separate exit interviews today was they believe they can turn this thing around very quickly as early as next year.

And it's not a full rebuild as we continue to chew on.

And look, I did it.

I did that.

You guys were on the panel when I did the depth chart.

last week, right?

And then you attach the needs, and it looks a lot deeper than a retool to me, but these players talk about the team needing more bite and size up front.

I'm not sure where you get that, but that's the challenge for management.

And at least two mobile defensemen.

Again,

You have to have the assets to be able to acquire those sorts of pieces.

And are those pieces available in this offseason?

And how many other clubs are looking for that type of defenseman?

Probably 30, to be honest.

So I guess it doesn't matter what the outside world thinks.

So it's that the key, the principal players for the Toronto Maple Leafs actually believe they can turn this thing around in short order.

That's my understanding.

But I think that we have to qualify that too, though, Brian.

You know, what happens if the new head of hockey operations sells a completely different picture, right?