Dave Evans

And in the high productivity world, that's not a bad skill to have.

And I get the feedback loop of I got more done or I got more for my time or I got paid higher or my PowerPoints were cooler than yours, whatever it is.

Or I got done what I needed to get done more quickly so that I can... I bought some time back.

Yeah.

So, but again, if I only do that... In perpetuity.

Again, the flow requires...

Full participation, and the reason time stands still and becomes eternal, time elongates and disappears all at once because I'm so fully present to it, is this full availability and full concentration.

If I'm switching constantly, I'm never going to have that full presence.

So I do think what we call multitasking and flow are simply different states.

Now, somebody might argue I can flow by how well I'm multitasking.

Yep, yep.

I'm not sure that's actual flow.

I think what it is, it's gratifying that I'm being high-performant.

That's okay.

Yeah.

But if it's the only game you're playing, then you've left flow behind.

Intensity, not complication.

Correct.

Maybe complex, but not complication.

Yeah, so your front-of-the-room guy is technically multitasking, but multitasking like all the colors on the palette when I'm painting, as opposed to like I'm painting and jogging.