Dave Evans

Well, you know, I teach at Stanford.

We wrote a book that's pretty explicit, articulate stuff.

So it's kind of in the idea realm.

Yeah, pretty heady.

You know, I've got closed captioning on all the time.

I really like knowing things and describing.

I'd almost rather describe something than do it.

You know, that's a bit of a temptation for me.

But so I think the rethinking –

This is where our consciousness directs our agency, can be the thing that gives us some power over our lives.

So it may start with thinking differently.

However, we're going to go into hopefully embodied experiences in a pretty quick way.

We want to get...

people the chance to grow their actual faculties of attending to and noticing and having these other experiences, which are embodied.

I mean, flow is not a thought-based experience.

So we want to move toward embodiment.

And I think over time, as you get better at these kind of things, sometimes the starting place will be those experiences where you actually are noticing something in the experience of the moment or coming out of your body rather than coming out of your brain or coming out of your ideas.

Okay.

Well, there's still meaning in the problem-solving world.

It's just a narrow form of it.