David Butterfield
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TRIGGERnometry · How Civilisations Die - Ancient Greece Expert David Butterfield · 20 May 2026
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They weren't as woke as we might want them to.
Exactly.
The Greek for woke is not known as yet.
So within that context,
scale, which is maybe 20, 30, 40,000 Athenian citizens, power was not only made available to citizens, but they were compelled to be part of it.
So just to go back to Cleisthenes, who, if you're interested, is 508, 507.
That's when this suddenly happens.
He realizes that although Athens is a city, it's surrounded by lots of villages, which are part of broader Athens.
And these people have very different interests in the world.
Some live on the coast and they're interested in maritime affairs.
Some are landholders who live in the countryside and some are urban traders.
And he treats those three categories as separate blocks.
Before that period, there had been four different tribes which Athenians belonged to, but those tribes had their own political sort of ethnographic links.
They were voting blocks, really.
They were ghettoized.
So out of nowhere, Cleisthenes decides he's gonna make up 10 new tribes.
The four are gone.
He's gonna make up 10 new tribes.
They're gonna be named just after Athenian heroes.
And each of those tribes is gonna have a mixture of coastal, urban, and rural people within it.
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