David Cooper

Are Canadians moving to the U.S.

more than Americans are moving to Canada right now?

What's the actual story of migration here?

We hear about Americans who are like unhappy with the political situation and end up leaving.

But I think in practice that doesn't happen as often as Americans think it does.

I think Americans investigate it and then they realize immigration is hard.

I say that being a Canadian living in the U.S.

It's not easy to immigrate to a country like some people expect it is, having never done so themselves.

It's the sort of considering versus doing gap.

People contemplate it because they're unhappy.

They see the news, they're unhappy.

But then actually getting around to it, leaving your community, figuring out immigration, there's a huge gap there is what you're saying.

The systems are completely different, but I moved from Canada to the US and navigating the US immigration system as someone who's not American was not easy.

I can't imagine it's any different in Canada.

So if Americans aren't going to Canada, where are they going?

No, I just brought my my my partner, my girlfriend to Toronto like late spring.

And she was like, why is it so cold here?

She was born in California.

Now, the Canadian perspective, if Canadians are leaving, are they leaving more than usual?

And if so, where are they going?