David E. Sanger

The data centers, many of the chips that are used for AI purposes so that China can't use them for military purposes. It's a very nationalistic kind of order. It follows what Biden has been doing with the semiconductor industry since the start. And it would make President Trump, once he's in office, have to choose between his chips.

tech supporters, including the Elon Musk crowd, who want the greatest ability to conduct AI work all around the world. Fascinating. And the MAGA group that would say, let's do this here in the United States. And I think he might stick with that one.

tech supporters, including the Elon Musk crowd, who want the greatest ability to conduct AI work all around the world. Fascinating. And the MAGA group that would say, let's do this here in the United States. And I think he might stick with that one.

That's right. And between these emerging groups, the tech supporters versus the older line sort of nationalistic MAGA supporters. On your broader question, you know, what's been remarkable, I think, to all of us has been the degree to which President Biden has seeded the spotlight. We've now seen Trump do two major press conferences.

That's right. And between these emerging groups, the tech supporters versus the older line sort of nationalistic MAGA supporters. On your broader question, you know, what's been remarkable, I think, to all of us has been the degree to which President Biden has seeded the spotlight. We've now seen Trump do two major press conferences.

I don't believe there's been a full press conference with President Biden since the NATO summit last summer, just before he dropped out of the race.

I don't believe there's been a full press conference with President Biden since the NATO summit last summer, just before he dropped out of the race.

That's right. And he did one interview with USA Today.

That's right. And he did one interview with USA Today.

In that, I'll be interested to see what Zolan and Maggie thought. I didn't think that he used the moment to sort of put his presidency in the scale of history.

In that, I'll be interested to see what Zolan and Maggie thought. I didn't think that he used the moment to sort of put his presidency in the scale of history.

It sure does, Michael, because it raises the question, when, Mr. President, did you come to that conclusion? Right.

It sure does, Michael, because it raises the question, when, Mr. President, did you come to that conclusion? Right.

Right. At that last press conference that I mentioned, the NATO press conference, I asked him whether or not he thought that he could take on a sit-down meeting with Putin or Xi in two or three years. And he basically said, absolutely. That was July. Right. Right. Okay. That he definitely could go do that. And what are we hearing from him now?

Right. At that last press conference that I mentioned, the NATO press conference, I asked him whether or not he thought that he could take on a sit-down meeting with Putin or Xi in two or three years. And he basically said, absolutely. That was July. Right. Right. Okay. That he definitely could go do that. And what are we hearing from him now?

Well, no one can predict what I'm going to be like when I'm approaching 86. Well, that's true of everybody, you know, in that age group.

Well, no one can predict what I'm going to be like when I'm approaching 86. Well, that's true of everybody, you know, in that age group.

And I hope that all of us in this conversation get to the point where we have to go make that decision ourselves. But I'd love to know when he came to this conclusion.

And I hope that all of us in this conversation get to the point where we have to go make that decision ourselves. But I'd love to know when he came to this conclusion.

Oh, yeah. That was exactly what you thought it was. Just translate that. You know, so the eulogy was about Jimmy Carter, but it was about Jimmy Carter as the anti-Trump. And I think that is what Biden truly believes. And so you had this odd duality as I was watching it.