David E. Sanger

Companies can't live in a world anymore in which it's sort of up to them how much they invest in these. Because what we've discovered about the telecom system is, on the one hand, it's a commercial system. It's owned by companies, not the government. But on the other hand, it's critical to our national security. Right. So we're trying to balance a lot of different complicated values here.

Companies can't live in a world anymore in which it's sort of up to them how much they invest in these. Because what we've discovered about the telecom system is, on the one hand, it's a commercial system. It's owned by companies, not the government. But on the other hand, it's critical to our national security. Right. So we're trying to balance a lot of different complicated values here.

One of them is keep the Chinese out of our system, for which you'd want to design something entirely new. But the other is keep the U.S. economy going and keep people communicating, which means you're kind of stuck with the system that's been pasted together over the years. Yeah.

One of them is keep the Chinese out of our system, for which you'd want to design something entirely new. But the other is keep the U.S. economy going and keep people communicating, which means you're kind of stuck with the system that's been pasted together over the years. Yeah.

So first of all, the world has changed a lot since Donald Trump left office on January 20th, 2021. Obviously, there had been hacking and issues like this during his time. But the level of the Chinese sophistication and the sophistication of others, Russia, Iran, North Korea, has gone up considerably. And we don't know how the president's planning to go handle this.

So first of all, the world has changed a lot since Donald Trump left office on January 20th, 2021. Obviously, there had been hacking and issues like this during his time. But the level of the Chinese sophistication and the sophistication of others, Russia, Iran, North Korea, has gone up considerably. And we don't know how the president's planning to go handle this.

In fact, whenever he's asked a question about China, his answer usually has to do with tariffs, as if that's going to solve our competition with the only competitor who can take us on militarily, economically, technologically, even culturally. The second big change that was going on, the biggest change since President Trump left office,

In fact, whenever he's asked a question about China, his answer usually has to do with tariffs, as if that's going to solve our competition with the only competitor who can take us on militarily, economically, technologically, even culturally. The second big change that was going on, the biggest change since President Trump left office,

is that Russia and China, two giant cyber powers, have come together in a partnership that is basically opposing the United States around the world. You've seen it, of course, first in Ukraine, but we're beginning to see it in the cyber world as well, because they want to operate by a set of rules that they define, and we want to operate by a set of global rules that we define.

is that Russia and China, two giant cyber powers, have come together in a partnership that is basically opposing the United States around the world. You've seen it, of course, first in Ukraine, but we're beginning to see it in the cyber world as well, because they want to operate by a set of rules that they define, and we want to operate by a set of global rules that we define.

And the third big change that's underway here, of course, is artificial intelligence, because that affects everything in the hacking world. You can build much better defenses to hacking using AI tools. You can also find vulnerabilities in old systems like the telecom system we've been discussing here using those tools.

And the third big change that's underway here, of course, is artificial intelligence, because that affects everything in the hacking world. You can build much better defenses to hacking using AI tools. You can also find vulnerabilities in old systems like the telecom system we've been discussing here using those tools.

So we have a new arms race underway that's AI-driven to go find or defeat this kind of code in our systems. And those big three things... Trump, the new Cold Wars, the arrival of artificial intelligence is leading to an entirely new era and some real brewing problems.

So we have a new arms race underway that's AI-driven to go find or defeat this kind of code in our systems. And those big three things... Trump, the new Cold Wars, the arrival of artificial intelligence is leading to an entirely new era and some real brewing problems.

Well, this is probably more the beginning of a conversation on The Daily rather than the end of one.

Well, this is probably more the beginning of a conversation on The Daily rather than the end of one.

Thanks, Sabrina. Great to be with you.

Thanks, Sabrina. Great to be with you.