David Gelles
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first heard Jan 2026
last heard 28 Jan
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And then the last thing I would note is that the energy politics and the energy markets have shifted dramatically since 2020.
And of course, one of the major precipitating events was Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
That was a moment that scrambled the energy markets, that made it much more difficult for some European countries to transition away from natural gas, that increased prices in some markets.
And between all three of those, the Russian invasion of Ukraine, local American politics, and the return of President Trump, all of that has made it much more difficult for companies to act on climate change.
Well, first, Dave, I wonder if we could go back in time nine years ago and think about something that happened in the first years of the first Trump administration, which was the Unite the Right rally that took place in Charlottesville, Virginia.
This was another spasm of violence.
It wasn't the government attacking American citizens, but it was a very heated moment.
And what you saw then was the corporate community rise up in unison.
And I'm talking the major CEOs of just about every American company come out and say, this is unacceptable.
The president's rhetoric about this event was unacceptable.
Right.
And many CEOs actually distance themselves from the White House at that point.
I think that's instructive, but...
to consider at this moment, because what we have seen not only in the past couple weeks around what's happening in Minneapolis, but more broadly, is that corporate America is not speaking out about the actions that are coming out of the White House.
And more broadly, they're not speaking out about social and political issues in the same way they did just a few years ago.
And the reason for that, and I know this because I've spoken with many CEOs about this very issue, is that they are concerned that if they speak out, President Trump and the White House might penalize them.
They might attack them on social media.
They might even launch a lawsuit against them.
There is a climate of fear that exists in the C-suite, in the boardrooms of corporate America that simply wasn't there several years ago.
And this is why you see so many CEOs...
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