David Gelles
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first heard Jan 2026
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And I think just, if I may go on a little tangent here, this speaks to a broader issue that corporate America is wrangling with, which is that for a party, the Republican Party, that has for so long been associated with free markets and free enterprise, they are now confronting an exceptionally interventionist White House.
You have a White House that is not only
taking positions on individual projects and really trying to put their fingers on the scales of individual industries.
But you have it playing out in extraordinarily personal ways.
And so just to tie it back to our conversation earlier about whether corporations and CEOs were going to speak out about an issue or not, one thing that has shocked me is that if you think back to the first Trump administration –
The issues, the political issues that CEOs were speaking up on really had very little bearing on their day-to-day business.
These were issues in the headlines.
They were issues about politics and race in the case of George Floyd and COVID.
These were the issues that CEOs found themselves in dialogue with today.
You have a White House that is really intervening with their businesses in the case of tariffs, in the case of taking a stake in certain companies, in the case of putting their fingers on the scale of certain industries.
And despite the fact that this administration is really meddling
With business operations much more than the first Trump administration did, you have CEOs unable to say almost anything in their own defense.
That dichotomy has been really extraordinary for me to just meditate on.
Yes, the One Big Beautiful Bill Act, as I believe it was originally known.
Well, you point out something really important, Dave, which is that this hasn't just been a congressional act turning the dials on incentives here.
What we're seeing, in fact, is a much more coordinated effort across Congress, the White House, the Department of Energy, the Department of the Interior, and the Environmental Protection Agency to all work in concert to
to essentially promote the fossil fuel industry and tamp down the clean energy business.
So it's important, I think, to see this as a whole rather than try to understand any one of these actions in isolation.
They're not only confused, but I know because I've spoken with them, they're incredibly frustrated.
It's not just time, it's money.
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