David Heinemeier Hansson (DHH)

But there's still an ideal here, which is why I was so happy you had Petal Levels on.

He still basically works like this.

And I look at that and go like, man, that's amazing.

I think it's amazing because he's proving that this isn't just a nostalgic dream.

He's actually doing it.

He's running all these businesses.

Now, some of that is, as he would admit himself,

Up first, up front, is that he's just one guy.

And you can do different things when you're just one guy.

When you're working in a team, when I started working on the team, when I started working with Jason Freed on Basecamp, we at first didn't use version control together.

I used version control for myself.

And then I thought, you know what?

Designers, they're probably not smart enough to figure out CVS.

And therefore I just like, no, no, no, you just FTP it up.

You just FTP it.

I knew they knew how to do FTP.

And then after the third time I had overridden their changes, I was like, God damn it.

I guess I got to teach Jason CBS to not do that again.

But,

I think there's still way more truth to the fact that we can work the way we did in the 90s, work the way Peter works today, even in the team context.