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David Heinemeier Hansson (DHH)

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4269 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

Podcast Appearances

Lex Fridman Podcast
#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

We're running on the same model we've run Basecamp on in the App Store for a decade.

14255.698 View full episode β†’
Lex Fridman Podcast
#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

If you're not signing up through the app and we're signing up our own customers on our own website and they're just going to the App Store to download their companion app, we're going to be fine.

14260.926 View full episode β†’
Lex Fridman Podcast
#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

That was the truth, right?

14270 View full episode β†’
Lex Fridman Podcast
#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

That was why I never got so fired up about the App Store, even as Apple started tightening the screws, was like my business was OK.

14271.823 View full episode β†’
Lex Fridman Podcast
#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

Now, suddenly my business wasn't okay.

14277.952 View full episode β†’
Lex Fridman Podcast
#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

Apple was willing to destroy Hay if we did not agree to give them 30% of all the signups that came through the iOS app.

14280.456 View full episode β†’
Lex Fridman Podcast
#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

And it wasn't just about the 30%.

14290.372 View full episode β†’
Lex Fridman Podcast
#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

It was also about splitting and not longer having a direct relationship with our customers.

14292.696 View full episode β†’
Lex Fridman Podcast
#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

When you sell an app in the app store, you're not selling an app to a customer.

14298.585 View full episode β†’
Lex Fridman Podcast
#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

You're selling an app to inventory at Apple, and then Apple sells an app to that customer.

14302.792 View full episode β†’
Lex Fridman Podcast
#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

That customer has a purchasing relationship with Apple.

14308.939 View full episode β†’
Lex Fridman Podcast
#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

So if you want to give discounts or refunds or whatever, it's complete hell.

14312.262 View full episode β†’
Lex Fridman Podcast
#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

If you want to easily support multi-platform, that's complete hell.

14317.408 View full episode β†’
Lex Fridman Podcast
#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

If someone signs up for Hay on their iPhone and they want to switch to Android, but that...

14321.953 View full episode β†’
Lex Fridman Podcast
#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

Billing relationship, it's tied to Apple.

14326.838 View full episode β†’
Lex Fridman Podcast
#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

It's complete hell.

14328.96 View full episode β†’
Lex Fridman Podcast
#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

For a million reasons, I did not want to hand my business over to Apple.

14330.181 View full episode β†’
Lex Fridman Podcast
#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

I did not want to hand 30% of our revenue over to Apple.

14334.145 View full episode β†’
Lex Fridman Podcast
#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

So we decided to do something that seemingly Apple had never heard before.

14337.228 View full episode β†’
Lex Fridman Podcast
#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

We said, no, we're not going to add the in-app payment.

14342.233 View full episode β†’