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David Heinemeier Hansson (DHH)

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4269 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

Podcast Appearances

Lex Fridman Podcast
#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

I don't care if you're threatening us.

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

This is not fair.

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

This is not reasonable.

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

Please approve.

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

And of course they didn't.

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

And it escalated.

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

And after a couple of days, we realized, you know what?

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

This isn't a mistake.

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

This isn't going away.

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

We're going to be dead if they go through with this.

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

If we're not going to yield and give them the 30%, they're going to kick us off.

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

Unless...

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

We make such a racket, such noise, that they will regret it.

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

And that's exactly what then happened.

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

We were blessed by the fact that we launched Hay one week before the WWDC, their Worldwide Developer Conference, where Apple loves to get up on stage and harp on how much they do for developers, how much they love them, and why you should bill for their new devices, and so on and so forth.

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

And then we also just happened to have a platform on the internet, which is very convenient when you need to go to war with a $3 trillion company.

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

So I started kicking and screaming and essentially turning it up to 11 in terms of the fight and going public with our denial to be in the app store.

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

And that turned into a prolonged two-week battle with Apple that essentially ended in the best possible outcome we could have gotten as David fighting Goliath, which was a bit of a truce.

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

We wouldn't hand 30% over to Apple.

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

They wouldn't kick us out of the App Store.

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