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David Heinemeier Hansson (DHH)

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4269 total appearances

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Podcast Appearances

Lex Fridman Podcast
#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

But we had to build some bullshit.

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

dummy account such that the app did something when you downloaded it.

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

That was a rule that Phil Schiller seemingly made up on the fly when pressed for the fifth time by the media about why we couldn't be in the app store when a million other companion apps could.

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

But we just happened to be able to create so much pain and noise for Apple that it was easier for them to just let us be than to keep on fighting.

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

I think it is incredible, and the entire developer ecosystem, not just on iOS, but on Android as well, owe Epic, Tim Sweeney, and Mark Raine an enormous debt of gratitude for taking on the only battle that has ever inflicted a serious wound on Apple in this entire sordid campaign of monopoly enforcement, and that is Epic's fight versus them.

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

Tim recently revealed that it has cost well over $100 million in legal fees to carry on this battle against Apple.

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

We, for a hot moment, considered suing Apple when they were threatening to kick us out.

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

We shopped the case around with a few law firms, and perhaps, of course, they would tell us, you have a good case.

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

I mean, they're trying to sell a product here.

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

But they would also tell us it's going to cost a minimum of $10 million, and it's going to take...

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

Five to seven years through all the appeals.

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

Now, we now learned the actual price tag was 10 times higher, right?

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

Epic spent over $100 million.

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

It would have destroyed us to take on Apple in the legal realm.

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

Only a company like Epic could do it.

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

And only a company run by founders like Tim, like Mark, could do it.

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

risk the business in the way that they did, the audacity they had to provoke the fight in the first place, which I thought was just incredible, and to stick with it for the long term.

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

No board would have signed off on this lawsuit to a professional CEO.

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

No freaking way.

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#474 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Ruby on Rails, Productivity & Parenting

So the fact that they've been able to beat Apple in also the most hilarious way possible, I think it's just incredible.

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