David Humphreys

And that's why...

We're trying to take a view that's longer term rather than just a snapshot of saying we've got to get all those players out of Leinster.

Because that's pretty much what you're saying to me, that we need to stop leaving Leinster players.

Remember, we've got to keep Leinster at the top of Europe.

We've got to close the gap.

Some of that will be through player movement, but only if players want to move.

It's a difficult piece, but actually there's so many political aspects to it as well.

Yes, so, excuse me, so just remember, Mac Hanson's different to, say, Bundy or James or Jemison, because Mac was qualified through his grandpa, I was qualified through his grandpa.

From Cork?

You know?

it is different because Ireland maximized the if you remember they were called project players and we had all the provinces benefited from project players when it was a three year residency World Rugby Health pushed that out to five so it's going to be increasingly difficult so Nangleville will qualify for Ireland next year on the five year residency

but that will have to be a much more strategic view around certain positions that we feel lack in the Irish system.

But we don't want to do that.

That's why we're investing more and more in our schools and our academies at the minute, because we want to be producing our own players

We have just Peter Smith, who has been the head of Irish Pathways for a number of years.

He's moving on to a role in Leinster.

We're bringing in a new Chris Goodman, Andrew Goodman's brother, to replace him, who will have a very much wider view from a Southern Hemisphere Irish qualified recruitment.

So that absolutely becomes part of our pathway.

But we're only going to bring players in, Donica, who are better than what we've got here.

It's not about going out and trying to populate our academies with players just because they're Irish qualified.