David McCloskey

that the sort of legal leniency came about because Epstein was sort of vaguely connected to intelligence services.

And so he was let off the hook.

That's a kind of central claim, I think, as part of this theory.

And interestingly enough, the official that was said to have claimed this has since said, didn't say anything of the sort.

And so there's a whole, I mean, we were talking, you know, as we were putting this together,

There's 30 minutes of very dry content we could do on sort of the back and forth there.

But the point is, is that whether they're facts or not, they get injected into the discourse around Epstein and then build this set of claims, right?

Not facts, but claims that he's got this kind of connection to the intelligence world.

Yeah.

And that that explains events.

Yeah.

One of the interesting tidbits of just kind of

things that seem a little bit trade crafty.

Prosecutors have discovered that Epstein in the 80s had an Austrian passport in a fake name, which he

He used to enter several countries back in the 80s, including the UK, Spain, and Saudi Arabia.

It has his photograph, very clearly his photograph, but lists his name as Marius Forteldni.

So again, it's like that doesn't prove he's working for an intelligence service.

There's ways to get fake passports.

But again, it kind of feels spy-adjacent.

So maybe there, Gordon, having established some of the claims related to Epstein and his alleged links to the spy world, let's take a break.