David McCloskey

When we come back, we'll explore whether he was collecting that compramat on the rich and powerful.

We'll see you after the break.

Welcome back.

We are looking at this question of whether Jeffrey Epstein had connections to the intelligence world or foreign intelligence service.

And I think, Gordon, the most prominent theory, in part because it's the most

salacious is this idea that epstein was running essentially a blackmail ring to gather compromise on influential you know politicians and and business leaders i think it makes sense to maybe start here because that compromise theory is the one that i think has it's generated

an incredible amount of interest.

We should say compromise, it's a Russian term.

The central claim is that Epstein is supplying young women to sort of elite targets and then is filming them and compromising acts and passing that along

to whoever his handlers might be.

Another piece of information that gives on the face of it

some maybe fuel for this theory is that Epstein's residences, I think in particular, the residence in Manhattan and his island were really wired up for audio and video, it's believed.

And so, I mean, we'll come back to that, I think, detail later, but that gives some energy to this idea that he could have been taping people for the purposes of collecting blackmail.

One key piece of this, which I think stands in stark contrast to the Epstein story, is that there was a

special selection of women in this brothel who were, I mean, essentially trained almost as intelligence collectors.

There were this kind of special book of 20 additional women who were shown only to clients who used a secret password, which I come from

Your German is better than mine, Gordon.

Is it Rotenberg?

I come from Rothenberg.

Rotenberg.