David McCloskey

Well, Gordon, you would have learned that right up front of this episode if we'd included the Jack Ryan clip, because he makes precisely this point.

I mean, it does recall the sort of the removal of a sitting head of state who's not playing ball with half an eye on...

The sort of natural resources of that country.

It does.

It recalls an operation planned by a friend of the pod, Alan Dulles, back in the 50s, doesn't it, Gordon?

Iran.

Yep, exactly.

Right.

Ajax or boot, depending on which Secret Service cryptonym you enjoy.

And then also Guatemala.

in 54, where you had United Fruit kind of looking at the sort of prize of that country and the agency unseating a sitting head of state, maybe in part, Gordon, for corporate interest.

So it does recall some highlights of past sort of covert action.

This one, of course, a completely overt action

But nonetheless, a lot of similarities.

Well, there, I think, Gordon, with maybe oil a factor, but not explaining the entirety of the reason for ousting Nicholas Maduro.

Let's take a break.

And when we come back, everyone can dust off their old high school history books because we're going to talk about the Monroe Doctrine.

We'll see you after the break.

Well, welcome back.

We left off with that wonderful teaser that you would need your history textbook for this next part, because we are going to talk a little bit, and I'm very excited for this, Gordon, about whether or not Donald Trump is reasserting the 1823 Monroe Doctrine.