David Naimon
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4,074 appearances
10 recordings
1 series
first heard May 2026
last heard 24 Aug
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I wanted to ask you about collapse in relationship to agency, but also how collapse might differ for the theorist and the narrator.
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Especially when you say I'm mostly a a a realist, because I think there is this tension between the theorist and the narrator, between the visionary and and the and the realist.
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Not that's an oversimplification.
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But there is a sense for the theorist that that liberation is is not a sight of arrival now, but a a practice.
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They're annoyed by people who only want action if it's tied to
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Yeah.
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And the end of things is for the theorist the new freedom dream.
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And it makes me think of something you said in a talk several years ago prior to the last presidential election where your students were telling you or some of them were telling you that they weren't going to vote.
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And you resisted assuming the role of the scolding elder who cajoled them or tried to convince them or counterargue with them.
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You didn't say, you bit your tongue, don't you want to stop fascism from coming if you can?
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And you remarked that one repeated sentiment among the students was the notion, let it all fall.
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Let it all fall.
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And you wondered what that meant or would entail.
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And of course, this book is, I mean, it's about this this question, let it all fall.
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For one, it seems to me to let it all fall would mean losing control of knowing what it would entail, which I think this book is also engaged with.
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But either way it feels close to the theorist's position.
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And I can relate to this position because to me it feels like if we were to step back from a specific nation.
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The greatest threat to the globe is what the European project created over the last half millennia, a project now helmed by the United States and our defense of sort of an extractive neocolonial relationship that continues today that has us hurtling toward climate disaster, but also which keeps large parts of the global south in a deeply subordinated place with as I talked with.
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Saul Williams about huge swathes of Africa with people in wage slavery to r produce the minerals for our phones and our laptops and more.
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Because if I imagine a world without Republicans for the next half century, again extending this this side fr of the theorist.
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