David Plouffe

to get involved with it.

You see the reaction out there.

But at the end of the day, and I think the question of, well, if she had started by saying, I'm going to do all these things different than Joe Biden, I think she wrote, I would have liked her to have done a lot more of that.

But I think to really have had the effect, you would have had to say this.

Listen, I think he was very loose on the board.

I told him every day we should be tougher on the border.

She didn't do that.

She wasn't going to say that.

I think we mishandled inflation.

And I think, and I think that he shouldn't have run for president.

Like that would have been great in like the West wing Aaron circle.

It was not real.

Yeah.

I mean, of course, of course.

That would have been, I think well-advised, but yeah,

She's a very loyal person.

So here's the thing.

I was pushing her.

The reality was...

I don't think the separation that would have been required to make a difference in the election was going to happen because it wasn't it wasn't reality based.