David Pocock

I think if you look at someone like Peter Volandis,

clearly got a close relationship with the prime minister.

He's the chairman of the NRL.

The NRL and AFL, as I understand it, they won't talk publicly about these details, but they actually get a commission on Betts Place now.

And so it's no longer just this sponsorship model.

It's actually part of the business model.

And we've seen huge pushback from them.

And, you know, the former head of the AFL, Gil McLaughlin, is obviously working at a gambling company now.

Peter Volandes is the chair of a gambling organization.

So there's really close links there.

And then you add in Free to Rate Television, who...

I think just under 10% of the ad revenue comes from gambling ads.

And I think those three have really exerted a lot of pressure.

And I actually have sympathy for the free-to-air television argument.

But we have to ensure that we don't fund free-to-air television.

If that's all that's holding it up, surely we can find another revenue source for that.

As I said, a 1.5% levy.

or some way to actually have good public interest journalism in this country.

That's in our national interest.

So, you know, I think we can definitely do both.