David Remnick

And one of the biggest lingering questions about Kamala Harris wasn't about this policy question or that.

It was about why the hell she didn't manage to go on Joe Rogan.

Now, I know you don't listen incessantly.

But I wonder what your thoughts on Joe Rogan – how you think about him and what influence it might or might not have on what you do.

Do you?

Yeah, I do.

Do you think the New York Times is a reliable purveyor of news?

Because it's certainly the dominant newspaper and probably news gathering organization in this country.

More outraged in a sense.

And it's been the soft sell of this fascism that has normalized it.

This week's cover of The New Yorker is Donald Trump emits lots of explosions, obviously Venezuela, drinking from a gigantic barrel of oil and the oil is coming all over him.

A more straight up the, you know, the wazoo political cartoon you couldn't imagine by Barry Blitt.

And there it is.

And yet I go to one panel discussion after another and get yelled at by one comedian podcast, usually comedian podcasters about the corporate media and they're the truth teller.

I don't know if it's as simple as all that.

You had Rahm Emanuel on.

Oh, yeah.

Rahm Emanuel is—

pretty clearly either thinking about or already running for president, and you just let him have it.

Let's listen for a second.