David Remnick

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Well, let's take the camera back a little bit.

This is a strategic disaster, a disaster.

We had a nuclear deal with Iran that was imperfect, but it was hard fought, hard won, and was in place.

And the only reason that Donald Trump came along in 2018 and abrogated that treaty, what's called the JCPOA, was because it was crafted by Barack Obama and not him.

The biggest, the existential threat that exists in Iran was the nuclear one.

Yes, it has ballistic missiles.

Yes, it has proxies.

And they're dreadful and it's a dreadful regime.

But the existential threat to Israel, to the region and beyond was the nuclear threat.

And that was under control.

Imperfectly, but under control.

It went out the window.

And then in his second term,