Dean Burgess

You talk to the cane farmers up in Far North Queensland and they've got facilities gathering mothballs.

They can be retooled to turn ethanol over in no time at all.

But they're sitting there mothballed because they're not allowed to use XYZ to produce their industry.

Too much red tape.

Correct.

Too much bureaucracy.

Yeah.

Shut the fuck up, will you, Chris?

Yeah, dude, and the green energy thing, what a lot of people may or may not understand is none of those components for the windmills are made here in Australia.

but they're made with Australian energy resources that are shipped overseas by way of coal or fabricated metals.

And then they're created overseas.

The logistical chain that has to bring them out over here, the bushland that has to be cleared to facilitate that infrastructure, the maintenance over their 20-year lifespan, the carbon...

Savings, they like to call it.

The carbon savings from green energy, from wind or solar, doesn't offset what it costs them to build them in the first place.

That's what I'm saying.

There's obviously industry...

there's a mechanism there i want to see more courage like there's a lot of people out there banging their gums together and i mean you're only limited with what you can do however i also do agree with you there that if people do revolt say so i'm not for revolution i'm for rebuild because nothing good comes from revolution but you know something needs to happen people are over it

And, yeah, courage is what's lacking, I think.

And that comes through a lot of change.

I think the pharmaceutical company has a lot to answer for.