Dean W. Ball

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"The Cognitive Revolution" · AGI Lab Transparency Requirements & Whistleblower Protections, with Dean W. Ball & Daniel Kokotajlo · 12 Nov 2024 podcast

you know, government audits and government investigations into you to be sure that you're complying with the law, the way you ensure compliance, the way you enforce these laws is by having whistleblower protections that grant employees the right

to you know, if if a company publishes a safety plan and then they do not conform to that safety plan

then a whistleblower can go to the government and say that that's going on and substantiate that claim and the government can then take it from there.

Oh.

I skipped one, I apologise.

And that's safety cases.

So this is an emerging idea in the AI safety literature.

It's an old idea in other fields, but it's emerging for AI.

The basic idea here I mean, the way I think of a safety case and this is

People have yelled at me on Twitter for this, but I think about it is basically like we have a safety plan, which is a kind of general governing document for for how our company will approach the development of frontier AI systems.

And then a safety case is about a specific frontier system where you're saying, this is why we think this specific model

is consistent with the safety plan and other governance documents that we have released as a company.

So it is a kind of transparency like this for me.

I just substantively believe that the next couple of years like

probably should be largely self governed, largely a self governance regime, largely a a somewhat more informal governance system rather than one of hard law.

And I think that transparency sets the information parameters for how to make that go well.

Daniel probably disagrees with me on the self governance stuff and stuff like that.

But beyond that, I think that probably represents it relatively well.

This is one other area where we have some important disagreements.

I have never quite understood the

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