Dean W. Ball

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"The Cognitive Revolution" · AGI Lab Transparency Requirements & Whistleblower Protections, with Dean W. Ball & Daniel Kokotajlo · 12 Nov 2024 podcast

these sort of AI safety and policy communities.

There is like an obsession about open AI.

And I understand the obsession, but I there's this idea that oh they're like they don't care about safety anymore and the there's these narratives that get spun up and they just don't reflect the reality that I see.

I feel very much like you know, I spent a long time in my childhood watching Apple very closely.

Uh an under Steve Jobs from oh one to his death in two thousand eleven and then afterwards.

And there were it was always, you know, Apple it was always like

The doom is right around people don't remember this now, 'cause now Apple's a three trillion dollar company.

But Apple used to be a tiny little company.

It was always like

the doom is right around the corner for them.

Oh, they did the iPod, but they're gonna get something's gonna come and kill them because they all they do is they're just artists and it's just Steve Jobs and there's nothing there that's defensible.

People will copy it and blah blah blah.

And it's different in terms of the specifics, but there is this dynamic of I know this is happening in my soul.

I know this is happening that like Apple's about to be doomed or OpenAI is about to have a safety nightmare.

And

I just I don't quite see it.

I see a company that is like a young company that got put on a rocket ship in the last two years and is going through all the tumult that is associated with that.

I don't think any company grows that much that quickly, gracefully.

But I think that as far as the incredibly tight balancing act that all these firms, Deep Mind, OpenAI, Meta Anthropic, have to walk, I think that like I'm pretty impressed with it with the way that they've walked it.

They've stumbled in certain ways and not everyone is entirely happy, but they would not be achieving the successful balancing act if any one group were entirely happy.

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