Dean W. Ball

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"The Cognitive Revolution" · AGI Lab Transparency Requirements & Whistleblower Protections, with Dean W. Ball & Daniel Kokotajlo · 12 Nov 2024 podcast

I don't know.

From my perspective, they're pretty responsible actors.

But at the same time, I don't know.

That's just my hunch.

At the end of the day, I certainly think in incentives matter a great deal, and that's where I come down on the transparency stuff of why I think it's valuable.

Because like, do I think that my hunch about the internal culture of open AI should be like dispositive for how we approach this?

Like, no, I do not.

And I guess the last thing I'd say is like to m there is this kind of interesting question in the the AI safety world of like, is alignment this like exquisite problem that you have to solve like

ninety nine point nine or a hundred percent rationally like a priori, or is it like a muddle through type problem?

Is it just yeah, you know, we hammered that, we kinda like put some fresh paint over there and it's not great.

It's not perfect, but we like mostly got there and it's fine.

It it works.

But is it like that kind of thing or is it a different kind of thing?

And I I don't know the answer to that question.

My intuition has always been that it's more of a muddling through kind of a problem.

But Daniel has made the most compelling evidence that if we treat it that way, that will be bad.

So we should definitely be I don't think either of us know the answer to that question.

But we should definitely be looking for the evidence that can help us answer that question of is alignment this like really, oh, we gotta get this like a hundred percent right from the get-go, or is it like

we can just muddle through.

I think running experiments and doing science to answer that question is extremely valuable.

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