Dean W. Ball

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"The Cognitive Revolution" · AGI Lab Transparency Requirements & Whistleblower Protections, with Dean W. Ball & Daniel Kokotajlo · 12 Nov 2024 podcast

Right?

I I I I think all that

will come in due time.

And as that happens, it's okay, then things are gonna get even more compartmentalized.

And so to some extent it it's already happening.

So it concerns me somewhat less because that's a very big part of them, you know, becoming closer with the US government, right?

You had Paul Nakasoni, former NSA

official join OpenAI's board, they just hired a very well regarded chief information security officer.

Chief information security officers do not facilitate m multi stakeholder collaboration.

That's not what they're in in in the org chart to do.

So, you know, like

I think the best you can hope for is that the balance of having some of these technical documents being public.

really helps you in terms of like getting feedback from the broader world.

Cause these people will, for the time being, they're gonna be in San Francisco and they're gonna be inside of a social community where like they do hear things from the outside world and Twitter and all that stuff, right?

So like to the extent that these that people are having these discussions in public, I think that really helps get ideas from the outside world

into the companies, even if the companies themselves are compartmentalized.

So it's a little bit of the transparency hopefully just gets you.

some the b benefits that counteract against the compartmentalization, which is like happening anyway.

I also think that there is something to and I I don't quite know how to think about this, but there is definitely something to the idea.

that things about like research practices to the to the extent that those documents are being like made public that like you might incentivize certain kinds of research practices if those are the ones that you have to have public and those are like like essentially setting company policy to which you are held through whistleblower protections, right?

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