Dean W. Ball

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"The Cognitive Revolution" · AGI Lab Transparency Requirements & Whistleblower Protections, with Dean W. Ball & Daniel Kokotajlo · 12 Nov 2024 podcast

You can provide evidence because I think there's bit

I think it it's very hard to say, Oh, substantiate your whistleblower claim.

without revealing company intellectual property.

I think that's like probably not possible at all c probably in some situations it is possible, but certainly not in all.

So you can't put that in the statute.

And if that's gonna be the reality, then it's gotta be like a private government mechanism of some kind.

So that's basically yeah how I think it's gotta go.

And actually just to be substantive, like it would be protections from after action lawsuits.

It wouldn't be like

So like something that I've said on this podcast several times before in the SP ten forty seven debate is that there is like a Shakespearean relationship between the intention of public policy and then what actually happens, and there is an extent to which like any rules you create

are very likely to make the thing that you're trying to fix worse in some important way.

Like that happens all the time.

And to some extent it is unavoidable.

I think the task of someone who designs public policy is to realize that and try to do your best.

to mitigate that kind of basic fact about reality.

So I would say a couple of things.

Like the transparency f first of all, yes, the companies are I I think my impression is that they're becoming more and more compartmentalized.

Part of that I think is gonna we're gonna see more and more on the cybersecurity front from these places at some point.

The world isn't ready for this conversation quite yet, but we're probably gonna start talking about physical security of not the data centers, but the people, right?

The people at the companies, their physical safety.

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