Dean W. Ball

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"The Cognitive Revolution" · AGI Lab Transparency Requirements & Whistleblower Protections, with Dean W. Ball & Daniel Kokotajlo · 12 Nov 2024 podcast

You guys aren't as much.

There was one other point that you made though that was just about the specific thing of if you have whistleblower protections, do you incentivize the company to root out the potential whistleblowers?

And that is a thornier one.

Um I am essentially making a statistical bet.

on that specific incentive problem with the basic realization that there are what, two hundred and fifty people?

Really?

Two hundred and fifty people who like really matter.

I mean these companies have more employees than that, but it's a heavy tailed universe and the top one percent are really important.

And I'm basically making a bet that a lot of those two hundred and fifty people are probably pretty high integrity and that there's a lot of those two hundred and fifty people who the companies both feel as though they can't do without and who would blow the whistle if they need to be.

But it's a bet.

Like everything in the world, it's a bet.

Yeah, or at the very least, if they do, that they have some sort of explanation that makes sense.

I I'm I'm comfortable with the idea that you're putting out these documents, you're putting out these plans and these policy sort of documents and it's this is a a month is a year inside of these places and

after twelve months something has really changed quite substantially and your plans made contact with reality in a way that forced you to alter your plans.

It's either update the plan or if you have to behave in a way that requires you to differ from it, explain why.

Explain why to the extent possi like th there's a lot of this that is uh hard to put into statute, but

I guess the only other thing I would say on the whistleblower stuff is I basically agree.

I think it should be not protections for public disclosure of company intellectual property.

I think it's much more of Agreed.

Privately go go to whatever the Department of Justice or the AI Safety Institute and you talk to the people there.

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