Debby Harlow

The Auguries of Innocence by William Blake.

To see a world in a grain of sand and a heaven in a wildflower, hold infinity in the palm of your hand and eternity in an hour.

I said, have you ever tried psilocybin mushrooms?

And he said, no.

And I asked, would you like to?

This is Debbie, and I'm counting down from 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.

I came here and I met Dick and I spent about three hours walking around Esalen, getting to know him and

sharing our personal stories.

And then at the end of that time, I said, have you ever tried psilocybin mushrooms?

And he said, no.

And I asked, would you like to?

And he said, yes.

And he trusted us that, like, I had asked him the same question early on.

And he said, it's kind of like a need to know, you know, if it was to help you persuade maybe another scientist that this might be something worthwhile.

I said, could that person call you?

You know, sure.

But it wasn't like he knew we weren't going to publish it as this, you know, expose Dick Feynman does drugs.

You know, I mean, he trusted us.

He talked a lot about Arlene.

I think how it came up, I asked him, I said, I know a lot of scientists, and I have to say, you're one of the most well-rounded I've ever met.