Deborah Kat

engage more.

What I'm saying is it would be more like, I'm going to go to therapy or coaching or whatever, and I'm going to work on some things.

You are invited to join me.

You don't have to.

And just so you know...

I'm going to be practicing some of these tools that I have.

I would love it if you could practice with me.

And, you know, if not, I'm probably going to use some language that's a little weird.

I'm probably going to do things that are a little different.

And, you know, I just want you to know that.

And you can play with me or not.

And that is such a... It is such a hard thing to do.

To play your own game without, you know, without...

having your partner play there with you all the time.

But the reality is, is that we grow at different stages.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

I, you know, yes, I've been in with my partner for 27 years.

But I don't necessarily consider that the mark of a successful relationship.

What I see as successful in our relationship in particular is that we both come back to each other.