Deborah Kat

Right.

That we are, you know, that we keep choosing.

to be in this relationship, like in this experience.

And when you've got somebody or two people who are like, you know what, we are choosing to end this relationship, then I wish that we had the kind of ceremonies for divorce that we do for weddings.

I have seen closing ceremonies types of things that have been incredibly, incredibly beautiful and incredibly powerful.

And I think one of the things that we don't do very well is completion.

Right.

You know, oftentimes when we break up, we're like, yep, we're done.

And there's no acknowledgement of the time spent.

There's no acknowledgement of what the person contributed to our lives.

There's no acknowledgement to the fact that we contributed to that part of things and that this is a closing of this situation.

And

I mean, hopefully there's at least some idea that we want better for each other.

Absolutely.

And, and I love that you brought up the conscious uncoupling because there's so much power there.

And I think that the other thing about divorce that is so unfortunate is it's such a disempowering experience.

Right.

And,

And I work with, you know, I work with people who are looking to get into relationships and, you know, the divorce process has been so dehumanizing for them and for their partners that the idea of a relationship again is, you know, just like, why would I do that?

Mm-hmm.