Deborah Kat

Like, what's up with that?

And so I started being much more intentional about how I how I framed my partner in my brain, how I talked about him to others, how I talked about how I talked to him.

And, you know, there's a lot of practices that I have in my own life around grounding, around, you know, kind of checking myself in terms of like, you know, what am I projecting and what is actually real here and how do I communicate?

And so I actually started using those practices with my partner.

And lo and behold...

Yeah, well, I've always been an explorer.

And I think, you know, at the beginning of our relationship, I was, you know, taking different relationship courses, I was reading different books.

And I started, I started taking some Tantra classes, I took some psychology classes, and

And so I was already studying and starting to look into.

And kind of using our relationship as a testing ground, honestly.

You know, it's like, how does this work?

And, you know, what does this work for?

And, you know, would you be open to trying this?

And, you know, I have to say, like, in the beginning...

I was very clumsy and about how I wanted things to be.

And so, you know, I learned that like that didn't work very well.

And so what did work very well?

So, but, you know, I've done a lot of training over the years.

And I think what really I'd started learning

I'd started working as a, as a relationship coach and I started working, you know, bringing Tantra into it.