Debra Kamin

Did you understand who these people were and what they believed in?

And your husband's black, correct?

So I'm going to level with you.

Yeah.

I mean, you're clearly a very smart person.

So I just want to make sure we understand what the motivation was here.

And that's fine.

I saw a news report about this community last summer.

They're called Return to the Land.

Sky News had visited them and also The Forward had done a short article.

They're a small community in the Ozark Mountains of Arkansas.

And at first glance, they read like a story about any other group

of fringe extremists.

But the more I read about this community, the more I was struck by the language they were using was something different.

They were actually saying, we know what the laws are in America.

We know what the civil rights rules say.

And we have found a loophole.

And we are going to not just build a community here, but use it as a blueprint that can be expanded across the country.

Yes, exactly.

And it's not that they were trying to go around the law.