Defense Attorney

Those conversations, he would later go on to say, I think I killed them. Maybe I killed them.

Yeah, in the same conversation.

Yeah, in the same conversation.

The three of us here have been in this business a long time. We've all represented some of the worst humans on this planet. And none of us have ever seen somebody detained on a pretrial basis in the most secure unit in the state of Indiana.

The three of us here have been in this business a long time. We've all represented some of the worst humans on this planet. And none of us have ever seen somebody detained on a pretrial basis in the most secure unit in the state of Indiana.

That made him lose touch with reality, they said. When you're stuck in those circumstances, when you have no outside stimuli, you're stuck in a gray steel box day in, day out, lights on day in, day out. And you're trying to figure out why you might be held in this condition. It's not unrealistic that that's where you go. That's where your brain goes.

That made him lose touch with reality, they said. When you're stuck in those circumstances, when you have no outside stimuli, you're stuck in a gray steel box day in, day out, lights on day in, day out. And you're trying to figure out why you might be held in this condition. It's not unrealistic that that's where you go. That's where your brain goes.

It's medieval, the way he was detained.

It's medieval, the way he was detained.

It's psychological warfare on a man who's a pretrial detainee.

It's psychological warfare on a man who's a pretrial detainee.

It's textbook for an environment where somebody would spew some kind of false confession, where basically a man says, I give, I've had enough.

It's textbook for an environment where somebody would spew some kind of false confession, where basically a man says, I give, I've had enough.

At the time that these statements are being made, it's hard to believe that you could give a lot of credibility to anything he was saying.

At the time that these statements are being made, it's hard to believe that you could give a lot of credibility to anything he was saying.

The ballistics and the magic bullet, it's just, this stuff is totally unreliable.

The ballistics and the magic bullet, it's just, this stuff is totally unreliable.

I hope that Susan will be able to live with herself in prison for the rest of her life knowing that.

I hope that Susan will be able to live with herself in prison for the rest of her life knowing that.

It doesn't take away from the horrendous nature of the crime. She knows that she's guilty. She struggles with the guilt every day.