Derek Brose
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And so they drive around with the laptop or the backpack pinging that number until they find it.
But the problem is that in that process, they're also scooping up the data of all the phones at
as they pass through.
So it's not a very targeted device.
It grabs texts, images, pictures, everything from all the phones.
it's like planting a gun only you know or a weapon on somebody the only difference is you do it digitally and the digital tools definitely make it easier for them to do things like that and just you know one other point on the the way the cell site simulators operate most police departments claim that they will only collect that data or hold that data for about 30 days you know they say if they accidentally scoop your data up while they're going after the bad guys they're going to store it in some database but then within 30 days everything's automatically deleted
There's been more than enough stories over the last decade to show that that's not always the case.
And I think most people would probably be hesitant to just blindly believe the officers are not using that data in some other way.
So I think that's a big concern.
And in terms of the Fourth Amendment violation, I absolutely think this is a violation of the Constitution.
i would be surprised if in the near-term future we don't end up seeing some future supreme court case that does find in favor of that as challenging as that might seem because just in the last month we had another supreme court case which actually ruled in i think the favor of the people and it found that so-called geo-fencing warrants which is basically you know where they can say kind of similar to a cell site simulator but it's more about just gathering the look the the location data of the phone and the same thing they could the cops can say well we have this you know
20 square mile radius and we think there's a bad guy in there and we need all of the data in that area and then they you know promise they're just going to go after the bad guy but again it's collecting people's information without any approval without any you know warrant things like that and the supreme court did correctly rule that that is a violation of the fourth amendment and that warrants are required so if it's that case it should be the same for stingrays absolutely let us continue
Absolutely.
And as I mentioned earlier, I mean, there's probably a dozen examples we could pull up right now just with a quick search of how many times police have abused stingray cell site simulators and particularly at protests targeting people because it is extremely easy.
And I wanted to make another note here that in the beginning when you were introducing the article, it described this as military-grade technology.
which I think is an accurate description because a lot of these tools, if you look at the origin of them, they come from the war of terror, the war in Iraq, the war in Afghanistan.
These are the same types of equipment that the military U.S.
soldiers were using against so-called terrorists in those countries to try to gather data about people as they were moving around.
And through the federal 1033 program, that is one of the main avenues where
former military equipment finds its way to local police departments.
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