Derek Mooney

I disagree with Mick about the trend across Western Europe, because one thing we've seen last week with the Orban defeat, and a considerable Orban defeat, is that there is a way of beating... And a very surprising... He went very quietly and mutely.

Extraordinary, because I know the Foreign Minister was off to Moscow before the polls had closed, but Orban appears to have stayed, which is...

Absolutely.

Having previously tried to rig the election, having spent a lot of money, there was lots of videos of these cards, gift cards, etc., for various, I think, 80 euros and 30 euros in various denominations, been handed out in the smaller towns.

Obviously, he wasn't prepared to release enough money to secure enough votes around the small towns.

But there is no doubt that in Hungary,

that 16 years of corruption.

Corruption is the main thing with him.

That's absolutely correct.

Because I think Dominic Lawson... That's what Magyar focused on.

Magyar, there are two areas where he disagrees with Orban.

One is on corruption and the second is on Europe.

Now, in Europe, it isn't that he's an absolute Europhile, but that Magyar is basically saying we are part of Europe.

We need to be part of Europe.

That's where our security lies.

Plus, it's also a ton of money waiting for us there.

But Magyar, on many of the economic issues and on some of the identity issues, wasn't terribly far from Orban.

What Lawson points out is that...

Is there somebody in the Republican Party who can stand up to Trump the way Peter Magyar did to Orban, who's just saying, listen, we maintain our values, even stick with the America First, the MAGA stuff, but to get rid of the corruption, to get rid of the stupidity, to get rid of the... Go back to, of all things, I was watching an interview last night with Madeleine Taylor Greene.

Now, I've actually heard myself.