Don McGuire

And so it's a very isolating.

It's a very isolating sort of way of achieving your goals.

And someone finally sat me down and I had a little bit of that problem.

And so I was thankful for the feedback.

I was pissed off, of course, at, you know, getting it, but I was thankful for it.

And that balance of you got to bring people along with you

You've got to be a good communicator.

You've got to present reasoning and rationale and give people a chance to absorb and bring them along with you so that it's ultimately going to be more successful.

And you are going to be more successful in having achieved that goal if you can focus on the how a little bit more.

And that was a nice life lesson for me.

And I even apply it outside of work.

When my kids have tested my last nerve and I want to go straight to the ramifications of what they've done, I often think about the how and what's going to be the most effective way to have this conversation.

So I think that's one thing that I think if someone would have told me it a little bit earlier in my career, probably would have served me well.

Well, thanks, Jelena, for having me.

It's been a pleasure.