Donald Hoffman

And that's what I'm doing on ostensive definition.

All I can do is tell you that.

Just like mom just has to point and say cat, that's all she can do.

So this stuff is not spiritual in some weird way.

It's in the same way as how we learned the word cat or the color red.

That's all I can do to tell you about who you are is to say that silence between thoughts.

Hmm.

That's you.

And I'm telling you by ostensive definition, but you have to know it for yourself.

So it's not weird to do that.

That's how you know everything.

And so to know yourself by ostensive definition is very natural.

Most of my colleagues respect me and they're sorry for me.

Why are they sorry for you?

Well, you know, I had a real promising career in doing neuroscience and so forth, and I'm doing this weird stuff outside of space and time.

So you just, they're my good friends.

We understand the rules of the game of science.

It's all about rigorous theories, experiments, and so forth.

They understand that when we have our conversations, I will say, how many conscious experiences can you explain?

Oh, zero?