Donald Hoffman

Aha.

So, okay, that's where we are.

So there's a stalemate here, right?

The physicalist approach is the dominant approach.

I keep pointing out that they have zero points on the board.

And at some point, I think there's going to be a change.

The tide will change.

And all we need is a real breakthrough.

I mean, what I'm working on right now is if we can show how space-time arises precisely from a theory that starts with consciousness,

I think my colleagues and friends will jump like that.

I think it'll be a transition that's very, we just need a little breakthrough to show how the headset is built.

Once we show how the headset is built, I think the transition will be very, very quick within just a handful of years.

So many spiritual traditions have had some notion of a higher power of God and so forth for thousands of years.

And at top level, it's very, very similar to what I was saying about the one consciousness that you are.

What's interesting is here's where science and spirituality need to really cooperate.

And I think that they will.

Because on one hand, the spiritual traditions have for a long time noticed that space-time is not fundamental, that there is some consciousness that's prior and more important than space-time.

But it was spiritual traditions that really fought the start of science.

So Galileo was put in house arrest by the Catholic Church.

So there's been this antipathy between science and spirituality at the very birth of modern science with Galileo.