Donncha O'Callaghan

And they're all what a freebie.

But then, like, I actually think the environment is fueled by those people.

Like, I remember Ian Dowling, like, when we were...

bubbling along with Munster Dowling was like a cheerleader for training standards if you know what I mean he would go round and he'd be in your ear and you know the way there's some days there you're down the college farm you know what I mean it's November it's pissing rain it's freezing and Dowling's there to you

how good are we going to be today man he's pumping the energy around the place being like this energy bunny and in your head you're there like go away man don't be annoying me but then finishing chanting to him you're there like I'm going to go for him you know what I mean here I go and he sprints out onto the pitch flicks the ball up and he's away and you're like

But then I always thought those were selfless acts, right?

Because I do think you need to protect your leaders.

We chat about the Rory's, the Paul's, the Johnny's, the Draco's.

They've enough shit going on.

They're actually, they're even dealing with stuff, you know what I mean, off pitch.

Yeah, exactly.

No, but they're in that kind of level.

And if Draco was wasting his time pumping the wheels to get guys ready for training, then we're all sunk, you know.

I always thought we were lucky in the environments we were in, Tommy, that we had good foot soldiers, man.

The best for me is John Kelly with Monster, man.

Oh my goodness.

Like, John Kelly, I'd walk on glass for that, man.

They really are.

Because they protect the leader.

They leave the leader just worried about top-line message.