Donncha O'Callaghan

I remember he was there.

There's barley soup up there.

You're not allowed near it.

I love that when you said we were going to chat about crisis meetings, we were chatting about farting and spalla.

We will at some point chat about Spatha.

That's a dressing room in itself.

And it's worth covering because it was tough time, wasn't it?

But then the funny thing, like, we used to slag Raj that, oh, here comes Shane Horgan, Dennis Hickey and Brian.

Bye, see ya.

We'll see you at the end of Six Nations because you're going to be off with your real mates, you know?

I was chatting.

What do I chat to Dennis Hickey?

You and Trinidad are probably the only winners that I get on with.

Mal was serious crack.

No, not true, man.

Not true.

This isn't what we're talking about, man.

We're talking about these kind of crisis meetings.

Anyway, to make your point, to be fair to Rob Carney, that was a perception that people felt in the setup and he had the balls to air it.

And as soon as probably what happened with Saracen and all the good meetings,