Donncha O'Callaghan

It is important in a way.

But I do think like you're saying there, the likes of Mark McCall, I'm just going back to the kind of decades, having the right people kind of going, OK, no, no, we're actually steering away from pushing the team in the right way.

Yeah.

We brought in a thing in Worcester, right?

Because Worcester was here and there was a David Lloyd's across the way from it.

So we used to say, after training, for 45 minutes to an hour, there's a Sappuccino over there.

So we'd go and we'd bitch about everything.

We'd whinge about the coaches, we'd whinge about whatever.

And if you're not there, you're fucking on the agenda.

But after that then, don't be going off in small groups.

You know what I mean?

Don't be kind of like stern.

If you have if you have something voice, get over there.

And it was kind of Claire led a little bit because it was very different over there for me, Tommy.

I was probably seen honest appraisal happening all the time.

So we didn't wait.

Thankfully, we didn't wait till it became a problem.

If I if I was even struggling with you, like Leamy would constantly go to me.

I need a fucking break from, you know, for a while.

Just keep clear of me.