Doug Gilmour

No, that's OK.

You know, the thing is, when I was lucky enough to be there through Wendell, Doug and Matt.

So great leaders in the room.

I know for Leaf fans, that's unbelievable.

I still cherish.

Yeah, I still cherish those relationships every day.

But you know what?

So Wendell, you know, obviously different type of player than Dougie or Mats.

Dougie is a different type of player than Mats or Wendell.

So the thing I would say about Mats is he's more of a silent leader, did most of his leadership on the ice, but he's very passionate about the Leafs.

And all this talk about restoring culture and stuff like that, these guys, are you kidding me?

Like even Cujo, whose birthday it is today, by the way.

Oh, happy birthday, Cujo.

These guys were winners.

These guys were winners.

And that whole culture, a guy like Dougie's out there, he's not a very big guy, and he's out there playing his butt off every shift.

That's a culture change.

And Mats and Wendell are the same type, you know, guys are natural leaders and players follow them.

So to answer your question about him getting into management,

I think the players would would would thrive at having him there.