Dr. Ben Bikman

So in fact, I won't even elaborate more on that if that point's clear.

So the lower carbs are getting, the more you can eat saturated fat and appear to have no deficit.

I'm very comfortable with that.

No deficit in... No problem with insulin resistance.

Insulin resistance.

Yeah.

Okay.

I don't recall whether they had it in a low calorie context or not.

I would suspect because insulin is low, once again, you probably have a little more of that metabolic wiggle room.

with the higher metabolic rate and then the ketone wasting.

So it starts to get a little cloudy.

I'm very comfortable with that.

Yeah, in fact, that's a great way of stating it, that the lower the carbs are getting, the less the dietary saturated fat matters.

Now, in the context of a higher carb diet, as much as it pains me to admit because I'm such a defender of saturated fats, there are a couple studies that are very well done.

If I recall, it was some groups in Europe.

in the European Journal of Clinical Nutrition, where they had in the context of a high carb diet and then manipulating the saturation of fats, the high carb and high saturated fat was the worst for insulin resistance and insulin signaling.

And so when it comes to

again, the background of high carb, then as much as it pains me to admit, because I'm such a defender of saturated fats from natural sources, which is where they come from, that begins to be problematic.

Yeah, no.

Of course, the easy answer would be no, but I can't recall the specifics of that study.