Dr. Ben Bikman

And anytime I can't cite a study, I want to be careful in the answer.

But my view would be, what is the underlying insulin effect of those carbs?

So if these are low glycemic load type carbs where the insulin response is going to be very modest, insulin itself causes insulin resistance.

And again, rapidly.

And so what I think is if you take the context of an insulin spike with a saturated fat load, that's uniquely harmful with regards to insulin resistance.

So back to the idea of what are the carbs, I think if you're talking about the low glycemic load carbs, like cruciferous vegetables and berries and citrus fruits, for example, now there's almost nothing.

And then you've chased that down with a tablespoon of coconut oil, the most concentrated form of saturated fat on the planet.

I think you're fine.

Well, coconut oil is a bit of an outlier because so much of it's MCT, which is not a substrate for ceramides, so it doesn't quite fit.

But in that case, no, I think that would be perfectly fine.

But you are touching on...

what is, to me, the obvious villain.

As much as we have increasingly two camps of people saying, no, it's the seed oils.

And I'm generally more, just because I'm an insulin resistance guy in the notes for refined starches and sugars, the fact is they always come together.

And so the more a person has a dietary ideology that's just simply based on the idea of don't get your carbs or don't get your food from bags and boxes with barcodes, you're getting rid of both the refined starches and sugars and the refined oils.

Anything else is going to be fine for the average, for most people.

Right.

Less bags and boxes with barcodes, more whole foods, you're fine.

No, it's not.

No, it absolutely is not.